Episode 410: Acting to Entrepreneurship and Beyond with Sadie Frost
When it comes to chasing career success, adaptability often emerges as a cornerstone. Sadie Frost’s career story beautifully illustrates this.
In this episode, Adam Stott sits down with the dynamic Sadie Frost to unearth her journey through acting, entrepreneurship, and her recent ventures into directing. Sadie opens up about her beginnings in showbiz, highlighting her early exposure as a child actor and evolving into a versatile artist influenced by fantasy and storytelling.
Adam and Sadie delve into themes of resilience, personal branding, and the challenging, often unpredictable, nature of the entertainment industry.
Show Highlights:
- Importance of evolving your career to fit different life stages and leveraging new opportunities.
- The need for relentless determination and hard work, regardless of setbacks or industry biases.
- The value of intuition in making career and business decisions, especially when red flags are visible.
- The significance of scheduling, meditation, and downtime to maintain mental health and productivity is emphasized.
- Sadie reveals how facing rejections, especially in acting, builds resilience and serves as a motivator for future achievements.
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Transcript:
Please note this is a verbatim transcription from the original audio and therefore may include some minor grammatical errors.
[00:00:00] Adam Stott: Hey everybody, Adam Stott here. Thanks for checking out my podcast, Business Growth Secrets. You’re absolutely in the right place. This podcast is going to reveal to you all of the secrets that you’ve been looking to discover. They’re going to allow you to cure your cash flow problems, attain more clients, bring in more leads for your business, and create systems and processes that give you the growth that you want.
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[00:00:53] Welcome, welcome to gold circle. This is gold circle. These are amazing clients.
[00:00:58] Sadie Frost: Oh wow. That was a. One of the most kind of exciting welcomes I’ve ever had. It was, you’re really all very optimistic. It’s lovely.
[00:01:06] Adam Stott: Yeah, no, brilliant. And we’re really looking forward to it. I think it’s going to be an amazing chat.
[00:01:11] It’s so cool to see, what’s her name?
[00:01:13] Sadie Frost: This is Cherry the Sausage. Cherry? Cherry? She’s got her own Instagram.
[00:01:19] Adam Stott: She has she?
[00:01:20] Sadie Frost: She’s got about 80. Is that
[00:01:20] Adam Stott: what we’re promoting today? What is the handle for that?
[00:01:25] Sadie Frost: Cherry the Sausage, she’s got about, I think, 1, 500 followers.
[00:01:29] Adam Stott: Ah, lovely! And
[00:01:30] Sadie Frost: she doesn’t promote it much, we’ve been talking a little bit about.
[00:01:33] When she’s traveling around the world or ailments and that kind of thing, but she writes it quite well, don’t you, Cherry?
[00:01:40] Adam Stott: Brilliant. Well, she certainly looks calm and composed. A lot of my dogs are up here, it would be chaos. So, but welcome and really pleased to have you here, really looking forward to the chat.
[00:01:50] You’ve had this very wide, varied career. In showbiz, in films, you’ve been in the national newspapers multiple times as an entrepreneur and wellness. It’d be really good to get to know you and go all the way back to the start in your career. And where did you start from? How did you get into this wide, varied career that you’ve had, Sadie?
[00:02:13] Sadie Frost: Yeah, I mean, it’s, I’ve done so many different things and it’s they always, I’ve always been quite driven. I remember for being four years old, my mum got me an acting agent and I was singing, dancing on the tables as like entertaining all the adults. And I started doing TV commercials and stuff and then went to stage school and always thought I wanted to be an actor.
[00:02:33] I just was one of those people that just always wanted to do something. I used to watch TV and see all the movies and was like, I want to be in a movie. I want to be like this. I’d be see Audrey Hepburn or Marilyn Monroe. And I was just, you know, I love story and I love fantasy. And I think that’s what drove me story and fantasy.
[00:02:49] So, I was an actor for a long time. I did lots of TV series and films and theatre. And, but I was also driven to have a family. I mean, I’m very family driven. I’ve got my mum’s, I’ve got ten brothers and sisters. My mum’s had five girls, so. You know, it was very important growing up with all my sisters, and then I wanted to have a family, so I had four children, and then I had to kind of adapt, and I think careers are about, am I talking too much?
[00:03:17] Is this good? Is this okay? So, careers are about evolving, so, you know, sometimes one part, a bit of your career wouldn’t fit into that part of your life when you maybe are having children, so I adapted, and I started a fashion company called Frost French, and we had, you know, three shops and we sold to Liberties and Selfridges and all over the world.
[00:03:38] We had massive fashion shows with people like Kate Moss in it and Helena Christensen and really interesting people. And again, I was, that drove, what drove me was story and thinking of fantasy and that sort of thing. And I guess study for me is very important. So I studied fashion, I studied acting, studied dance, studied singing.
[00:03:58] And I just kind of love the fact that you can go and do a course, you know, whenever you want to do something because you’re always like put in little You know, pigeonholes. I remember when I was 24 years old and I’d had a baby and I was literally sitting on my sofa, just thinking at that time, you know, my life’s over because none of the casting directors in England would see me for any movies.
[00:04:22] They were like, Oh, she’s had a child. She’s too old. I was like, I’m 24 years old. That’s not old. And Francis Ford Coppola was casting a film in America. And he didn’t know, he didn’t have that kind of bias that the people in England had against me. And he asked me the next day to fly to LA to do a screen test.
[00:04:41] And it was quite interesting to see how Americans kind of, they don’t pigeonhole people so much. You can do different things. Whereas in this country, you were very fitted, you know, it was class, you know, was I working class? Was I middle class? What was I doing? Why have I had a child? Why don’t, you know, there’s all those kinds of questions and people try and keep You know, push you down.
[00:05:00] So I got a break in Hollywood and I did quite a few big films, but then wanted to continue having a family. So then I always had my, you know, my fashion line that, as I said, that did well, and then that kind of, you know, petered out, it was doing okay. But I get bored very easily. So then I do something else.
[00:05:19] And then I thought, I want to produce films. So I went and did an MA at Staffordshire University in film production. And I looked, and some of my thesis was about women in film and how having children affects your ability in your career. Like, if you have one child, you can continue, you can, More or less continue doing what you want to do.
[00:05:38] But if you have two, maybe it’s harder. And a lot of people don’t go back to work after two, three and four. It’s pretty much it was so difficult to kind of go back.
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[00:06:19] Stand out brand. I think it’s really interesting that you said that you had a lot of resistance in the UK in terms of going and getting that break. And then you went over to America. And you found a different culture. I’ve often spoken about the cultural differences, actually, in America, from the UK, in terms of the way they see success and things.
[00:06:38] When you managed to get that break in America with Francis Coppola, I actually watched one of his films recently, the new film, Megalopolis. Haven’t seen it. Is it good? It’s crazy. Yeah, it was like it was really great. I actually liked it. My girlfriend hated it. I actually thought it was all right On a side note, what was it like working with him?
[00:06:58] And how did that you know? How did you find that because that is somebody that is a you know, a superstar, right? And actually going at 24 years old like you said A mum, new mum, you know, all that pressure. What was that like? And what kind of break? What did that create for you? I mean, it was
[00:07:14] Sadie Frost: overwhelming.
[00:07:15] One minute, yeah, I was just like at home, kind of breastfeeding, changing nappies. And then suddenly I was on a plane in America and doing screen tests. And then we had an amazing place in America when we were filming there and working with people at Anthony Hopkins and Winona Ryder. And I had this whole kind of, we’re working on the Columbia you know, the stage where they do all the big films.
[00:07:37] And it was really lovely, but I kind of always was like, my destiny maybe isn’t this. And I wanted to do indie British films because, and I loved all the kind of perks and the amazing things that came with it. But then I got offered an, a little indie film in England. It was like, my heart was pulling me towards that.
[00:07:54] And it was a film called Shopping. And that’s where I met my husband, Jude Law, and we had three kids together. And it’s just like the twists and turns of your career or your life things, you know, determine you move somewhere, you meet someone else you know, you have kids, you get divorced. I just wanted to kind of live my life and evolve as a person and careers important, but I wanted to experience, you know, life on life’s terms.
[00:08:18] And, you know, I remember like meeting people, And I’d say to them, you know, they would have a five year plan. And I was like, what is a five year plan? You know, I didn’t understand that at all because when I was younger, I was just very intuitive and just went with it. And if I knew now, if I knew then what I know now, I mean, the amount of things, mistakes I’ve made with business I’ve had many brands you know, I’ve had companies that have made millions and then they become bankrupt and they’ve learned so much.
[00:08:46] And I’m glad that I had those journeys with those brands and with those things, because, you know, I understand so much more about people and how to do a business. Now I’m just about to launch. This is a new handbag line that I’ve been designing. I’ve just designed, which is going to go into store soon.
[00:09:03] And it’s based on chakras. So even though things sometimes don’t work out how you. want them to work out, you still have to have the drive and you still have to have the determination. Never give up. I have so many friends now in their 50s are going bankrupt that have been done so well all their lives, but that is life.
[00:09:20] You can’t maintain it on one level. You’re going to have a lot of ups and a lot of downs and just having that kind of not feeling ever like a fail, that you’re a failure. If something goes wrong, you can do anything.
[00:09:32] Adam Stott: The acting industry is a really good one for that, isn’t it? In terms of understanding resilience, because essentially you’re going and you are getting rejected constantly and you’re putting yourself forward and you’re getting judged.
[00:09:44] Actually, we’ve got I was talking to Andrea, Andrea was an actress not a Dracula level to be fair, right? But she was a super, she did very well. And she was just talking the other day about how it really. Had an impact on her mentality, having to keep going to auditions, not get the auditions.
[00:10:02] How did you keep your resilience up in those times when you were getting rejected in that early stage of your career? You were getting judged because it can feel like that, can’t it? If you’re getting rejected, you’re getting judged, you’re not getting what you want. How did you keep moving forward even when you had the challenges there?
[00:10:19] Sadie Frost: I mean, I think you have to be very strong, but it can be very demoralizing, you can get, you know, and especially the British press have been so horrible, especially to women you’re kind of just kind of kept out of situations when you should be given the opportunity that kind of thing. I think, When I started out acting, I would be going up for a part with me and maybe 10, 20 actresses of my age.
[00:10:42] And when they did a worldwide acting casting, there might, you know, there’d be, you know, maybe 40 whatever. Now, my son’s an actor. He’s 26, 27. He was in, in Masters of the Air. He just did a series with Spielberg. He just did another film, another. I, It breaks my heart every day speaking to him when I see, Yeah, he’s going, he’s working so hard, you have to put yourself on tape.
[00:11:05] You have to learn 30 pages, you might have got the scenes the night before. So it’s not even like you can turn up and be in the room and have chemistry with the casting director or the director. You have to work so hard. And he’s competing, cause, Everyone wants to be an actor now. They might be competing against 500 people for one part.
[00:11:22] So I’m really glad that I don’t really act anymore. I do I’ve been offered a play next year. And I do little cameos and bits and pieces. But I now five years ago I got an amazing opportunity and it was crazy to think that, you know, in my 50s I get another chance in another career direction.
[00:11:37] And that was directing. And I got the opportunity to direct a documentary which is on Sky about Mary Quantz. And that was two years. It was a difficult thing to do because I never directed so I went back to school. I did some courses in directing. And the good thing about directing is, and a different direction for me, is it’s all about research and prep and I’m good at that and you know but I had to really kind of believe in myself like I’m putting I’m spending a million pounds of other people’s money like if I mess this up and the film gets bad reviews I’m not going to want to get out of bed but I was prepared to be strong and tough and but I kind of I remember the first day filming and you when you’re the director you say cut and the guy who was my producer used to be the director and I used to be the producer and he was like cut and I was like That’s not your job, but it’s my job and I still have to say cut and you know you kind of suddenly forget like what you’re supposed to be doing or what someone else is supposed to be doing but I kind of really held my ground and was like no I’m the director and this is what I’m going to do and the film got finished and it came out on Sky and it was in 200 cinemas and got out.
[00:12:40] I mean, all good reviews. And then went straight from that to this documentary now, which I when I said I was going to do today, I thought the film would be finished that I’m working on now, and it’s still not finished. So, and they do a lot of work now. I mean, we all work on Not just email, so we can park it.
[00:12:58] It’s on WhatsApp, so you kind of go for a drive, or you come and do this. Look back at your WhatsApp, there’s 500 messages you need to get back to people and sign off. It’s like, oh my god, I’m working at 3am when I go, I’m going for a pee. You know, it just does not stop, and that is the problem. Just looking, yeah, sign that off, I’m signing that song off.
[00:13:14] Yeah, can we get that song, can I do this, can I do that? But yeah, so now I finished this film on Wednesday, but I still had, you know, today was in my diary to come and do this but we’re nearly finished and it just got into the London Film Festival, you know, yeah, so it’s gonna be. You
[00:13:32] Adam Stott: just mentioned something really important there, Sadie, that we talked about earlier.
[00:13:36] And you just talked about your diary. And one of the things I was trying to get across, obviously we’ve got lots of business owners lots of different levels. You’ve got some people that are early in their businesses, you’ve got some people that have been running their business for a while and create some success.
[00:13:49] You’ve got some big businesses in the room as well. So we’ve got a fluid sweep of different levels. And what I said earlier on was that how all successful people that I’ve ever interviewed at a high level in career whether it’s career business. all manage their diary and run their lives by their diary in order to create the maximum results.
[00:14:10] It’d be interesting. I could really line myself up for a fall here, but would you say that is correct?
[00:14:15] Sadie Frost: 100%, 100%. I mean, I’m obsessive about how everything’s planned. I’m quite OCD and all that kind of stuff. And I think it freaks a lot of my friends out and my work colleagues, but every single minute of the day is planned.
[00:14:27] I’ve timed the distance, even though it’s probably went 40 minutes over from. Wiltshire to here today. Everything is timed. I literally, usually I’m never late. Every meeting is, you know, no, but I was like, I planned to get here at like quarter two and then there was, I had a, you know, anyway, so I, yeah, so I plan everything.
[00:14:47] I’m on my diary. I work two months ahead. You know, if someone says to me, can you do such and such, I’m like, it’s too much, I don’t know. It’s
[00:14:55] Adam Stott: the lean on the diary, isn’t it, that’s so important. That’s why I was trying to get everyone to see that everything you do should be diarized and scheduled, and that helps you.
[00:15:05] Sadie Frost: And then, if you don’t, you know, make plans, things won’t happen, you have to put the things in. Even for me
[00:15:10] Adam Stott: Do you put your personal life in? Because I know you say you’ve got four children. Yeah,
[00:15:14] Sadie Frost: so yeah, I have to organize that really carefully, like, The thing that’s gone the last five years is socializing because I don’t, I wake up anytime between three 30 in the morning till five.
[00:15:24] It’s crazy. Like five is good. Like it used to be seven. Then it was six and it was five. Now it started being three 30 or four. And that is horrendous. But I get so much done in the morning, you know, I do. And I kind of get everything done. Then when everyone else wakes up, I’m like, I can just, you know, I’ve done everything.
[00:15:39] But I don’t see so many friends at the moment, you know, Which is fine. And I go to bed, yeah, nine o’clock or 10 o’clock. Sometimes I stay out later, but, you know, the good thing is I’ve got her and she just comes with me everywhere. So it’s that, I don’t need to go out so much. And I see my kids when I see them.
[00:15:56] So
[00:15:56] Adam Stott: the big tip is get a dog, yeah? Get a
[00:16:00] Sadie Frost: dog. It keeps you responsible, grounded. Yeah, I mean, and just, you know, my whole thing is just never, you know, plan everything never give up and just, if you have a gap in your diary where you feel like, and I remember when I was younger and think I wasn’t busy all the time but I don’t really get any time off now, but if I get like a chunk of five days, I go and find a course that I could do.
[00:16:21] So next week I was supposed to do a teacher training because I’m also doing yoga on the side, because I felt like. What happens when I get older, if I can’t make films and suddenly I’m not relevant anymore, or I can’t do this? Well, I can always be a yoga teacher and I’m always gonna go into wellness and I can always, you know, and I do yoga every day.
[00:16:37] So I’ve done a couple of te Teach trainings I was gonna do one next week, and then my film got into a film festival in Rio, and they were like, I’m flying to New York on Thursday. Go there, come back for the mark mode. Show on Mon next Monday. Fly to Rio Tuesday. And then the Rio festival, it got cancelled because of a reason.
[00:16:57] I mean, it’s still in the festival, but I’m not going to go. And then I was like, Oh, I’ve got four days in London now. I don’t have, I’ll have a bit of time, but I’d lost the place on the course. So I think you have to be flexible. I’ve got a caution come on. Huh? Have you? So, yeah, so, yeah. You’re doing the right thing because you’re doing the courses, which is really good.
[00:17:17] So, yeah, it’s just like, even when people try to knock you down, or if you have situations, you know, cash flow problems, there’s always a way out of it, you know.
[00:17:27] Adam Stott: So talk about that. You say there’s always a way out of it, and that should, when you’re faced with a challenge like that how do you strategically think?
[00:17:34] And I think just that mindset alone, there’s always a way. I actually had a good conversation at the back of the room. There’s always more than one way to do something, isn’t there, right? That’s exactly what you’re just saying. How do you think of things? How do you approach problem solving, being that you’ve got this very busy life, lots of different success in other areas?
[00:17:51] Is there a specific way that you approach things?
[00:17:53] Sadie Frost: Well one thing I, like I’m, I can be calm and I can be overreact. You know? I can, I had a business Frost French with my best friend. We literally used to start throwing things at each other. You know, we were a lot younger. There was all kinds of things.
[00:18:04] It was crazy. And it was the nineties and people were mad. You know, now you can’t behave like that. You know, we know what we can’t. You can’t even, you know, rape, you know? And so what I realize now is don’t go into business with friends, you know, , that is really like. So I was in the fashion business with my best friend, a film business with a couple of other friends.
[00:18:27] I think you have to choose the person. So I’ve never had financial problems. Like I always pay bills. If a bill comes on my, if it’s a gas bill, you know, I pay it. And then you’ve got to think about if you’re in a company with someone and they’re the kind of person that doesn’t pay their gas bill, they’re not going to pay the company bills.
[00:18:43] And then you’re going to see that. They might be, you know, live, it might not be balanced. So I, and it stresses you out. So that over your head of thinking about, or did they reply to that email? And you’re a director of that company and you’re on the bank with them and has this happened and has that happened?
[00:19:00] And five years down the line, you’re like, That instinct I had early on, I think it’s going to be okay. It’s going to be, it wasn’t okay. And you’re really in this and getting out of a business with somebody who, you know, it’s like is worse, harder than a divorce. You know, it is harder than a divorce.
[00:19:15] And you know, I decided a few years ago to go freelance. I don’t want to have a company. I mean, I don’t want to put anyone off anything, but I’m just saying my experience. I don’t want to have a company at the moment in this stage of my life. I’ve got no more time for drama or things going wrong.
[00:19:30] This is my time. Time is more important than anything more, more than important than money more and your family and your friends and all that kind of stuff. Business is great and all that, and work is great and career is good, but just don’t ever compromise the other things for that. And time is the most important thing.
[00:19:44] So I thought I don’t have time for another situation with whatever. I
[00:19:49] Adam Stott: love the fact you said about your instinct there. It usually is your instincts. If you think actually, if you’re seeing the signs, often there’s a temptation to ignore the signs, but actually you’re seeing the signs for a reason.
[00:20:00] If someone shows you they are, you should believe them. All right. You know, a hundred percent. I
[00:20:04] Sadie Frost: think, you know, some people don’t like conflict. And if you’re in a company when there’s a power struggle you might have one person’s directors, more creative, one who’s a financial director, one who’s this.
[00:20:12] And, you know, you just don’t really know. And You know, I personally, I’m glad I did everything I did, but now I want to know that I’m responsible for everything that’s happening. Yeah, so I’m, you know, going freelance at this stage of my life was a nice, refreshing thing to do.
[00:20:26] Adam Stott: Brilliant. In terms of branding, one of the things that we do is we teach Our clients, a lot about branding. It makes up a large part of what we do. When I say branding in terms of perception, how do you get known? How do you get yourself in the marketplace to create opportunities? Obviously you’re somebody that’s been very well known in.
[00:20:46] In part, in the public eye, you know, how has that helped you? How has that created things for you? Has that opened doors, given you opportunities? The fact people have, you know, you’ve built that brand over the course of your career.
[00:20:59] Sadie Frost: I think, again, I think, you know, there’s a lot more opportunity when You know, in the 90s, the 2000s, I think it gets harder, obviously.
[00:21:07] Everything is geared up for young people right now. You know, I’ve got, you know, my godchildren, my children, they’re in their 20s, and they’ve got the opportunity, so. You know, it, things are different, like, obviously, social media, Instagram, I don’t want to be telling everyone what I’ve had for dinner and doing all that stuff and, you know, videoing myself.
[00:21:24] But a lot of my friends who have got successful brands, they’re just, they’ve got video content the whole day. I’m like, that’s your life. You’re not even experiencing your life. You’re only experiencing you filming your life. I don’t want to do that. So I, You know, it is really hard to be original now.
[00:21:40] I mean, everything is so diluted. It’s, you’ve got to come up with a good strategy. And I think, you know, there’s obviously always new ideas, but I think there’s a lot of brilliant people in PR and marketing and concepts and things to do. But I think when I was like, had the fashion company, we would do fashion shows in.
[00:21:58] You know, the Regent’s Park, we did, we were like, did a collection of where, which was like little dresses with bibs where people, the women could breastfeed. Well, you know, we were doing things ahead of them, you know, knickers that made cat noises or owl noises, you know, when they went twit twoo when they went to bed, the knickers and then, you know, all these kind of, I like thinking of ideas and, but I, you know, now I’m like, I don’t even want to think about, you know, I’m just trying to concentrate on directing, but, you know, once you put your mind to it they, You know, your brain gets kind of crazy and sometimes I just don’t want to even be having any more ideas.
[00:22:31] I’m like, you know, I’m just quite kind of, yeah, I want to do a bit of yoga, finish this film and then it’s good to have like in between projects, whatever you’re doing, having that downtime, you know, having the time to relax. really kind of rethink and restock and recharge and that’s what I’m going to do when the film’s on the 18th of October at the London Film Festival at the BFI.
[00:22:52] What’s the film called? So this is Twiggy and it’s all about Twiggy the supermodel. It’s her life from the 50s up until now. So I had to span Yeah, five, five decades of her career, cover a lot because she was a model, singer, actress, did loads of things, worked with Archive and interviews, I interviewed people like Dustin Hoffman, Sienna Miller, Brooke Shields, I went, oh, LA, New York, it was, and it’s been three years, I haven’t had a day off, as I’ve said, you know, it’s been this, driven for this kind of particular moment, finishing it, which is this Wednesday, and then you hand over the thing, Hopefully I can just have a little bit of a rest and not think of anything.
[00:23:33] I don’t want to think of anything to do until maybe Christmas. I’m going to be a grandma. Yeah. So that’s my next project. My elder son. So I’ve got four kids. Elder son is having a baby in December. And, you know, so I, it was great that I can kind of take some time off for the baby in December and January and then start thinking about work next year.
[00:23:55] But, and this film will be on the BBC next May, June. So look out for it, Twiggy.
[00:24:01] Adam Stott: Twiggy, yeah. How did you get that opportunity, Sadie? How did that come to you? So yeah,
[00:24:05] Sadie Frost: it just shows you how things just happen. So when I, so I was producing and acting and I was working with a company called Goldfinch. And they asked me if I wanted to direct, firstly, Quant.
[00:24:16] And I’d never been asked to direct anything before. And I kind of Why
[00:24:19] Adam Stott: do you think you got that opportunity to direct?
[00:24:21] Sadie Frost: I think the producer there just kind of saw something in me that maybe bringing a woman on to direct a female to direct something about a female icon. I’ve read her autobiography, I’ve felt like I related to Mary Quant.
[00:24:35] I’ve been in fashion, I’ve been in film. I know the modeling world, so I kind of knew it. And I just had a, and my, you know, I grew up in a kind of bohemian artist way where I kind of knew the tone and the look and the sensibility. And then I was just doing the press for Quant and I was interviewing Twiggy for her podcast to do the press for Quant.
[00:24:54] And the funny thing was I just said it off the spare of my head, I just said Have you ever thought about doing a documentary about your life? And she was like nah, everyone’s asked me now. No, I don’t know. Don’t want to do it. Don’t want to do it. I was like, Oh, okay. Well, if you change your mind, you know, I’m here.
[00:25:10] And then that night she rang me and she went I’ve had to think about it. I think you should direct the documentary. I was like, Oh my God. And then the next night I was doing a Q and a at, in St. Leonard’s. in a cinema about Quant, Mary Quant. And there was a woman there from the BBC and she said, Oh, I loved it so much.
[00:25:28] I’ve got a world of cash that I can give you to make your next documentary. And I was like, okay, yes. And then we just looked through the next day I started making. You
[00:25:37] Adam Stott: interviewed Twiggy on a podcast, is that what
[00:25:40] Sadie Frost: you said? Yeah, so the podcast led to that opportunity. Is it your podcast
[00:25:43] Adam Stott: that you had?
[00:25:44] It was
[00:25:44] Sadie Frost: hers, Tea with Twiggy.
[00:25:46] Adam Stott: Oh, so she had you on the podcast. Yeah, and then
[00:25:48] Sadie Frost: for doing me talking about making So when I
[00:25:50] Adam Stott: talk about the branding element, one of the things that we actually talk about also, and this is what I meant about the Show time is having your own show and being able to interview people, build relationships with people, get into rooms that you’ve not been able to get into before, build relationships with people you’ve not been able to get into before.
[00:26:09] It kind of happens. It sounds like, you know, you went and saw someone, did an interview, and before you know it, the wheels have got in motion for you to make your next film.
[00:26:18] Sadie Frost: It is. It was pretty amazing. And then the fact that the Q and A was the next day, and then I met the woman from the BBC was there.
[00:26:24] Bye. You know, and then that’s literally five years of work from the beginning, from the quant start date to Twiggy finish date.
[00:26:31] Adam Stott: So do you think that’s luck, circumstance the stars aligning, or do you think it’s just, you know, systematically being in the right place at the right time? Making things happen.
[00:26:41] I think
[00:26:42] Sadie Frost: it’s a bit of everything. I think it’s you being open, you being driven.
[00:26:45] Adam Stott: I love that.
[00:26:46] Sadie Frost: I think, you know, making connections being, you know, I, you know, I’ve gone through my life where I’ve been depressed and stuff, and I haven’t wanted to leave the house and things weren’t happening. And, but when I overcome those things, Overcame those times and just believed in myself and just thought I don’t care what people think because I often did think about what people thought and I was like, Oh my God, everyone.
[00:27:04] So even with quant with the reviews being good, of course, that was helpful. And that being on Twiggy’s being on Twiggy’s podcast and her liking it, you know, that was helpful. But so it’s a bit of me. It’s a bit of them. It’s a bit of the stars aligning is, you know, me getting out of bed and being working hard and being driven.
[00:27:21] Adam Stott: But I just stopped caring about what people thought then.
[00:27:25] Sadie Frost: I think years and years of like, one, people being mean, there’s always going to be mean people, and, you know, I can’t change what people think, and I know I’m a nice person, I know I’m kind, I know I’m thoughtful, I do a lot of really good things for people, I always give people a break, I’m always you know, helping people.
[00:27:42] And when people have blocked me on not being so nice, you know, I’ve taken that personally, I’m just like, actually, those people aren’t very nice. They’re just not nice people. So, I just realized that it isn’t me that’s the problem, it’s them sometimes that’s the problem. And not everyone’s going to like me.
[00:27:56] And maybe sometimes I’m not good. Sometimes I’m not good. I’m not perfect. None of us are perfect. But I didn’t want to kind of get to the end of my life and go, I didn’t do this, and this, because I cared about what that silly cow was saying about me in, you know, such and such an office. You know, you really got to kind of get over that.
[00:28:11] You know, and just, yeah, surround yourself with good people. And I do a lot of meditation. I do a lot of positive affirmations, mantras, you know, I mean, it sounds a bit weird, but it’s just keeping your brain like strong, it’s like a muscle. It’s like going to the gym. If I’m kind of. Calming my brain, if I’m kind of,
[00:28:29] Adam Stott: I, I don’t think it sounds, I think it sounds really useful.
[00:28:33] And I think it’s something that people should do. And I think keeping the brain strong is important. What you feed your mind is what shows up in your life, right? We
[00:28:41] Sadie Frost: all have such a strong inner critic, you know, someone say, you’re not good, you’re not good, you’re not this, you’re not that. And, you know, if your brain is telling you that the whole time so you’ve got to kind of work out a way to stop those negative thinking, that negative thinking.
[00:28:54] Adam Stott: Was there a moment where you just decided, was there like a trigger point where you said, you know what, this is enough. I’m now going to go down a different path. Or was there a habit that you created? You mentioned a few things there. Was there a habit created or a moment of change where you decided to go in a different direction?
[00:29:10] Sadie Frost: I don’t think so. I think it’s definitely gradual. I think the more yoga, you know, the more you’re putting the positivity into the pot. It’s not like, because for years, you know, when I was feeling negative about, I used to have a lot of panic attacks. I was, you know, hospitalized for it. And the anxiety, couldn’t do things because of the anxiety.
[00:29:25] So, But the more work I did on myself, the pot suddenly got filled, and I was like, I can deal with this situation, I can, you know. Because you’ve had
[00:29:32] Adam Stott: a lot of, sort of, stuff in the news, haven’t you? And media, and things like that, and obviously That
[00:29:37] Sadie Frost: didn’t help. Yeah. You know, all of that kind of stuff.
[00:29:40] Because the thing is, like, everybody goes through different, you know, if you go through a divorce, or, you know, my father died, had postnatal depression, and I had a divorce, and one of my kids was sick. It all happened in the same few weeks, and I’m thinking, that’s been sent to me by God to kind of, or to get stronger, to have challenges, maybe to learn that, you know, I was living a kind of maybe blinkered life.
[00:30:01] I’m glad that happened to me, you know, because I do a lot of work with people that maybe were, you know, who need help. And I kind of see that world. And I sometimes think when there is that kind of privilege and people aren’t aware of what really is going on in the world, you know, it’s quite ugly.
[00:30:16] So I’m glad I’m not in, in that. Or in that place myself, but yeah, so I just think you just, you know, you just keep kind of with the positive thinking and if now I’m having a bad day and my brain is going back to like, oh, you’re no good, you’re no good, then I just have to kind of have a reset, you know, do the meditation, do the positive thinking and just stay away from toxic things.
[00:30:37] And just if you do, yeah, you do the work, whatever it is, you’re gonna, you will achieve what you want to achieve and get a dog, get a little dog. Like, so she’s my, because they make you
[00:30:47] Adam Stott: happy to know, right?
[00:30:48] Sadie Frost: Yeah, she’s my emotional support dog. And she’s amazing.
[00:30:52] Adam Stott: No, no fabulous. And if you were to, you know, all of these different things, all these different experiences, if you were to say to someone that wants to create more success in their life, And you were to sort of round that up in, you know, three tips or three things for them.
[00:31:06] What would you say have been important things for you to create big success that you have created? I mean, you’ve had an amazing career, amazing successes. What would you say the three things for you are important? This is
[00:31:16] Sadie Frost: a question you might have to help me with. I’m not very good at like, but like making choices.
[00:31:20] Like I’m a Gemini. I don’t like go, you know, when it’s a favorite this and three things in this. But I mean, I think Just, you know, believing in yourself, going with your instinct and having the drive. I mean, nothing, you know, if you’re, you can’t be lazy. I mean, the one thing I know about myself is I’m hardworking.
[00:31:37] I’ll do an 18 hour day easily and, you know, and just enjoy what you do. It’s so important to enjoy it. I love every day I wake up, I’m so excited to be awake. I’m like, Oh my God, I got to do this. That’s why I wake up at 3. 30 because I’m like, Wow, I can do this. And then, you know, and I’m just so happy.
[00:31:53] Until I’m exhausted later on in the day, but you know, I just think, yeah, just believe in yourself and just never give up, you know, things are going to be tough, but, you know, some of the things I’ve gone through where. You know, I thought one day you think the whole world is caving in. Everything is going to go wrong and you really feel like you’re going to be pulled down.
[00:32:14] And I’m just like, now I can look at myself from outside and just go, what is the worst that can happen? And I see it with a lot of my friends right now who are going through really difficult times that. They’ve lost everything and they’ve worked really hard for 30 years. Yeah, I mean, you’ve got to look at your, you’ve got your health, you’ve got your, you know, your other things and you can, and I’ve seen a couple of friends actually that have Lost stuff and they’ve just suddenly rebuilt.
[00:32:39] They’ve just started again, you know, don’t give up there in their 50s Things didn’t go the right and then they’ve cut they’ve got back I had a few bad months got back on it new business ideas And I seen one friend like within six months turn a whole life around the twists and turns are insane
[00:32:55] Adam Stott: Should we give it up for Sadie, everybody?
[00:32:58] Absolutely amazing. And I think you answered that last question beautifully. Beautiful. Well look, what we’re going to do is we’re going to do some pictures. So if you’d like to do a picture with Sadie I know there’s a lot of new people in the room, what we usually do is we do a queue over this side of the room.
[00:33:12] So if you stand up and go to this side of the room. We’ll kind of have to snake our cue a little bit because we’ve got some bit fuller with the tables today. But if you can be nice and orderly, that will be superb and we’ll work that out. Let’s give it up for Sadie. She’s amazing. Hey everybody, Adam here and I hope you loved today’s episode.
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